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I noticed right away that since Ferrets do not have as obvious a data plate as a jeep for example, that there is a lot of confusion over the vehicle's serial number. Event the Canadian Forces listed the British War Department number as the "Serial #"! Here is some help for Ferret owners and enthusiasts.

 

 

HULL NUMBER

Also known as the Vehicle Identification Number "VIN" in North America. This is the serial number!!!!!!!

To find this number and the date of manufacture look inside hull on starboard (right) side by driver's right shoulder. There is often, on British used Ferrets at least, a data plate listing modifications standing off from the hull on 4 bolts.  "Undo the 4 nuts on that plate and CAREFULLY ease it off the studs.    Underneath will be the little steel plate welded to the hull with the hull number stamped on it." (Ref: Doug Greville on Ferret Heaven 2007-03-17) This little steel serial number plate is 2" x 3".

Special thanks to Douglas Greville in Australia who helped to decode the mysteries of the British and Australian numbering systems.  His web site is at http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/lsm/dhmg/

I also wish to thank other members of Ferret Heaven forum (the 4 wheeled, not 4 legged version) for their help and advice.

 

LOCATION

EXAMPLE

COMMENTS

Hull number data plate location.

The factory assigned unique hull number (vehicle VIN or Vehicle Identification Number) was stamped onto a plate which was welded inside the hull on the right (starboard) side behind the driver's right shoulder. On British Army Ferrets there is usually also a modifications data plate in this location. If this is unbolted, a data plate should be visible.

Data plate with hull number and date of manufacture.
British Army modifications data plate mounted over top of the hull serial number plate. This one is in a Ferret with turret (British Army registration 03 CC 15 presently restored and operated by the British Columbia Regiment in Vancouver, BC.

392

 Part of the number 392.B.5.4

DATE OF MANUFACTURE

LOCATION

EXAMPLE

COMMENTS

Stamped onto a plate welded inside the hull by the driver's right shoulder, underneath the modifications record data plate.

 .5.4 (May 1954)

 Last part of the hull number 392.B.5.4

MILITARY NUMBER

Usually painted on the vehicle. On British vehicle this number is also stamped onto the data plate for modifications. Note: Although some people use this as the vehicle serial number it is technically NOT that.

Nation

Military Number Name

Military Number Example

Comments

Britain War Department Number

(WD #)

04 CC 01

Usually painted on top front edge.

2 numbers, space, 2 letters, space, 2 numbers.

This system was introduced about 1949 and replaced the old style e.g. Z5453378 or T123456

Note: This is NOT the vehicles serial number for licensing as a civilian owned vehicle (even though many people have used it as such).

 

You can find the British Army history of your Ferret from the tank museum in the UK. You MUST supply the WD number e.g. 04 CC 01
Here is the info:
Stuart Wheeler, Bovington Librarian
Email: Librarian@tankmuseum.co.uk
They charge a standard fee of £10 (plus £3 post and packaging) to reproduce
vehicle registration cards:
The Tank Museum
Bovington
Dorset
BH20 6JG
UK
 

 

Ireland  

16 MS 32

This number remained on the vehicle in the Congo on UN duties as shown in a photo but the number refers to British "Military Sales" (MS) and is a number put on vehicles sold out of UK. We do not know why Ireland left the number on. (Information from Doug Greville in Australia e-mail dgrev (at) iinet.net.au)

Bovington holds no records of the MS series of numbers. (Ref, Dan  email  ferret_man_52 (at) yahoo.com)

 

Canada Canadian Army Registration (CAR) which changed to Canadian Forces Registration (CFR)

54-82598

Changed about 1969 after unification of the armed forces. Canada bought 124 Ferrets and the CFR number range was  82500 through 82623. The first two digits signify the year the particular vehicle entered military service. Originally painted in white on the sides of the hull. When UN white, sometimes painted in black on side near rear wheels. Also when a Canadian Forces licence plate was visible - this had the last 5 digits of the CFR number (from about 1970 when these plates were introduced until they were sold surplus 1980-1.

 

Australia Army Registration Number (ARN)

115148

Apparently all Australian Ferrets were in the 115XXX ARN range.

Here is a list from an Australian Army EME listing ARN with the corresponding earlier assigned British War Department numbers. CAUTION: Ferret owners have noted errors in the list (e.g. 115328 and 115332 both have the same WD number 87 BA 51.  Other discrepancies have been noted. 

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/4CpTR7lBsMIb-emA7qj8-qXsPiRqSdfs8E99i20HSJYnNpe4wmIL-23K7k34fhiinb68PsAY0h3hrsOp5oapnNhHnfc1gWT-BFZLqA/Ferret%20Numbers001.pdf

 

 

Canadian Army Registration (CAR) Number (after circa 1967 called the CFR - Canadian Forces Registration Number). This consisted of two numbers, the last two digits of the year in which the vehicle entered the service followed by a dash (sometimes a period or when stamped into vehicles, a "1" or "I" horizontal.)

e.g. 54-82501

"In the case of the Ferrets, it [the CAR/CFR] is stamped on the flat area on the right side of the hull next to the drivers window, just to the left of the horn. I have seen it on this spot on the majority of the Cdn Ferrets."  - Rob Love

 

Bob McWilliam of Nova Scotia sent the following pictures of the CAR as he found it on his Ferret 54-82540. The photo of the CAR stamped on 54-82511 is from Rob Love in Manitoba.

CAR PAINTED ON SIDE OF HULL CAR PAINTED ON FRONT OF HULL CAR STAMPED INTO HULL

Ferret 54-82540 CAR painted.jpg (1395465 bytes)

 

Ferret 54-82540 showing loc of CAR stamped.jpg (583844 bytes)

CAR 54-82540 painted in white on the hull. I believe this is on the Starboard (right) side. Note the open hatch below. 
CAR 54-82500 painted over the driver's hatch. 1968 in Cyprus.

 

CAR stamped into the hull 54-82540.
 
 
 

 

 

Original CAR 54-82598 painted in white on the right (starboard ) side of the hull. Numbers are solid, without stencil webs.

 

 

 

The CAR/CFR also appeared on the DND licence plates from about 1970 onwards - with only the last 5 digits showing e.g. 82592

CAR 54-82598 painted over the driver's escape hatch (found while sanding the paint down in 2007).

Sometimes it was painted in small block numbers about 1 inch high above the driver's head.

 

In Cyprus, sometimes the last two digits were paints on the sides.

 

Occasionally the CAR/CFR was painted on the rear.

 

 

 

CAR stamped into the hull of 54-82511.  The circle is the antenna base just in front of the horn on the right (starboard) side, on the flat in front of the driver's hatch.)

 

 
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